You sound worried. Anyone unhappy with the result of the lawsuit should seek to either change the law or change the composition of the township committee so the law is complied with.

Although it is rarely mentioned anymore, let me remind everyone that part of this plan is to GIVE Honeywell 40 MILLION DOLLARS IN TAXPAYER MONEY. Yep, you read that right - just give it to them. Republicans call this a "handout" and "entitlement". Honeywell is worth 36 BILLION dollars. Why is it politicians feel the need to give Honeywell some corporate welfare paid for by our taxes? So excuse me, Marta/Bruce/who ever you are ... but don't try and scare people with your threats of a "newly acquired tax burden". We are already paying a burden in the form of corporate welfare. And in return, Honeywell will use its best attorneys and money men to dodge every single cent in taxes paid to the Township. So don't be so flabbergasted when people don't believe your tax threats. Tell me, when they get that taxpayer money... what do we tax payers get? Graced with their presence in the Township? Pfft ... and one more thing, why is it so important for Honeywell to build such a large townhome complex? Might is be for all of the H1B visa workers that they import over from India/Pakistan at low wages and they are having a harder time getting people licenses and vehicles to travel from out in town to their campus? Honeywell doesn't give a crap about housing people;it sees dollar signs and power in leverage of the conversation. WHY DOES HONEYWELL WANT THIS HOUSING SO BAD? ANYONE? ANYONE?

Kenny: Honeywell is a Fortune 50 Company whose CEO was at the White House and all over Capitol Hill yesterday addressing fiscal cliff issues. Meanwhile, if memory serves correct, Honeywell is number 27 on the Dirty 30 list of companies who are so agressive with their taxes they don't pay any! The rich get richer, the rich are above the law, the rich go to Washington and to the State governments and take, take, take. And all the while they distract us and get us to argue about abortion, same sex marriage, and so on. Here's the link: Honeywell's tax rate was -.7%!!! http://assets.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/27_dirtythirty2012.jpg?v=1

By the way, Marta, I will be issuing a subpoena to patch to determine your identity. I've already sent them a litigation hold letter, instructing them to preserve the evidence they have that will lead o your identity. You know, the email address you used to open your account, IP addresses, etc.

Well that depends on where the trail leads, now, doesn't it? To the extent you are connected to players in this charade, it may expand the scope of the claims and it may add defendants to the mix. Stay tuned!

We'll see who you are and how you're connected to Honeywell and the Township Committee. And we will know who you are and then discover your motive for all your bluster. If its actionable, rest assured, action will be taken.

You got it, Marta. Consider it done, just as soon as discovery opens. See you in court.

You'll have to wait patiently til the subpoenas issue and your identity is discovered. We'll be in touch! Promise.

Rob

Everyone has a right to their own opinion... Including you... There is no reason though to harass anyone for having their own opinion. Believe it or not, not everyone agrees with you. Not looking at the politics, please respect other people's opinions as they should respect yours and have a healthy debate. People can also have a debate without having to give their full name as long as their actions do not turn criminal. User "Martatown" has done nothing criminal, so good luck with that subpoena. Calm down Rob and come back to earth.

You can disagree with the Honeywell situation in our town, as many of us do have concerns about the whole thing, you can disagree with our politicians, as many of us do, but there is no reason to make this personal and there is no reason to go off on rants against someones screen name. With that said, If you want to go on crazy rants, you can still do that cause that is considered free speech...

Well. "Michael," that was an entertaining reinvention. But thank you for agreeing that I have a right to my opinion. I don't agree with you that ANYONE believes differently than I do regarding Sisler's Midnight Threatening Phone Calls. I challenge anyone who endorses those despicable calls to come on this board and say so, and sign your name. I guarantee you that no one will.

No one has accused "Martatown" of doing anything criminal. Who knows? Maybe YOU are Martatown, or Honeywell, or Sisler -- or even all of the above. But I do know this: Martatown's identity would be highly relevant if Martatown is affiliated with the Township or Honeywell, for example. I'm sure you would even agree with that, even you say otherwise on this board.

And I intend to find out.

And incidentally, I'm neither "going crazy" nor "ranting." I'm publishing facts over and over.

7:06 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
You don't really think I will believe this is your first rodeo, do you? You know as well as I do that when the subpoena is issued, you will hire a lawyer to represent you without disclosing your identity. Your lawyer will argue the subpoena is not likely to lead to relevant evidence. I will ask the court to make an in camera determination of your identity and determine if it's relevant and we will go from there. Patch could care less...

Call sisler and discuss it with him. Dial the digits sometime after midnight. Call him back after he hangs up on you. Then threaten him, curse at him and behave as badly as you can. Then see if your taxes go up. Or if you get arrested. Or if you ghetto be Buccos chief of staff.

Depends on who you are and what you posted and when you posted it. And what your interest is. Facts matter. Don't be so defensive. If you have nothing to worry about, don't worry about it. Yeah. Right.

My plan is simple. Honest, law abiding officials will run the township honestly in accordance with the law. Dishonest officials who break the law? Not so much. As to signing my name: I always sign my name. This lawsuit is fresh. My comments have been ongoing since ths summer. So have yours, from under your rock, anonymously.

Yes. See I have nothing to hide. Publicity is good for the public. People should know what Sisler did and that his bad behavior is being challenged in court. No downside to publicity when you tell the truth.

I believe it's less than $50 for average township property owner if the property is donated to the township and no longer generates a penny of property taxes because it's turned into a park, for example. That's the elephant in the room. If Honeywell leaves, your taxes won't go up. In fact, if they stay, your taxes will go up because of the impact of the road costs, the school costs and the increased burden on the police, fire, emt, hospital, etc. but you won't discover that for years and no one will be held accountable. You'll just be holding the bill.

We aren't claiming to be able to throw the bum out. Just his vote.

Exactly my point -- even if Honeywell were to vamoose to greener, yet-to-be-evironmentally-contaminated-pastures, the property won't become tax-worthless. Whoever owns it will pay the taxes on it. And the developer of whom you speak would need to get the property rezoned for their purpose -- and also would need to stomach among other things, the risk attendant with selling contaminated real estate to families with children and dogs. And that's only if they buy the property and get it rezoned. So your worry about taxes going up if Honeywell leaves isn't real. Its imaginary. Like your screen name.

Zoned as mixed office/lab, with all kinds of contamination on it? Let's just say I would take a pass on it. Wouldn't even put in a bid unless its cleaned up. I do find it bizarre that the current practice is to pump contaminated groundwater to the airport property. In my book, that's not cleaning up -- its moving some of the contamination and tainting even more property, endangering more property and people. Bravo!

I didn't suggest that. I think Honeywell should be required to clean up the property that they contaminated. Now. Period. Why don't you agree with that?

You tell me. This is the same company that got fined millions of dollars and criminally convicted for illegally storing a whole lotta drums of nuclear waste on one of its facilities.

I'll type slowly so you can follow along. You say your taxes will go up if Honeywell leaves. Well, the most they can go up would be if the property is no longer taxable. The only way that happens is if Honeywell just gives it away to someone who is exempt from paying property taxes, like the Town. Get it? Honeywell ain't gonna do that, so the property owner will continue to pay taxes. There is NO SCENARIO in which the taxes for this land go to zero and, therefore, no scenario in which anyone's taxes are going up even $50 a year, on average.

Next time I'll double space it to make it easier for you.

Well Sam, that sounds like a threat from you to me. Better be careful.

If you don't read my posts, how can you be so 'outraged' by them? U, wait, oh yeah -- you're not.

Out me to the public? How ya gonna do that? Tell people that Rob Burke signs his posts with the screen name Rob Burke? O brother. That's a regular riot.

That's funny. I don't have the power to stop anyone from posting whatever they want. That said, there may be consequences. Pray tell, what do you suggest is so egregious, "Shooter"? (That's me laughing at you in the background.)

And, genius, the subpoena is issued at my direction during discovery. You might make the list too!

Good luck with the lawsuit, Rob. You're going to need it. Maybe rewatch "12 Angry Men" and a few more episodes of "Law and Order"; it'll help with the buzzwords, armchair attorney!

Thanks, "Shooter," but wile I do watch Law and Order from time to time, and I also believe 12 Angry Men is one of the best movies ever made (a hell of a cast), I get my buzzwords from the Emory University School of Law, my years of practice and the cases and journals that I read.

Your years in practice have jaded you then. The adage of "getting more flies with honey" probably rings true here. Free advice: people will appreciate your point of view (and maybe even agree) if you didnt attack anyone who posts and have such a visceral reaction to virtually any comment. I'm a Township resident and even if you have a minimally valid point, I could care less about your opinion. I'd suggest you stop spewing such venom and learn to listen as much as you bang away on that keyboard!

OK, "Shooter." When you get up the guts to disclose who you are so we can figure out what dog in this fight you really have -- oh, never mind, you'll NEVER do that. You're "Shooter." Gee, I hope you don't "Shoot" me. The idea that you complain about a tone you read in my words and effectively defend Sisler's midnight harassing phone calls to the Goldbergs that were captured on tape is precious,

I havent defended anyone, but the right to comment (which includes you, genius). You're bashing of anyone who doesnt agree with you is disgusting. Per your venom below, the only person you need to persuade is the Assignment Judge is Morris County so quit clogging this board.

Uh, what are you talking about? If you'd like to cut and paste my posts and repost them elsewhere to make some point, have at it.

Well Jon, thank you for joining us in condemning Sisler's despicable, midnight phone calls. Glad you agree that there's no place for that. That said, ours is not the only lawsuit filed against the Township in connection with this. Perhaps you've read about the other one that's been filed, perhaps not. In any case, rest assured, if we filed a frivolous lawsuit we will be quickly dismissed and there won't be any cause for your 'concern.'

uh, i don't bully. in fact, i sued a bully. the basis for the lawsuit is his bullying. the bully is bruce sisler.

PS -- I understand we have an expert in bullying right here in Morris County republican politics, and he's tight with Sisler. Maybe they need a consult...

http://easthanover-florhampark.patch.com/articles/over-100-gather-for-community-night-of-respect#video-11597190

is it true that honeywell still sells to iran in violation of federal law & regulation? i recall a protest in front of their property not that long ago. i wouldn't bring it up except you opened the door with your sarcasm.

nice try at the misdirect -- not suing for any money.

who knows? its probably just another of your screen names.

That's funny. Is that Sisler's defense? LOL!

Your supposed "independent opinion" notwithstanding, I don't believe in screen names. I think they devalue anything written by anyone. The anonymization of the source is fraught with peril and makes a post inherently unreliable. I have never posted anything other than with my name so I can always be identified. I take full responsibility for what I write. Those who attack me neither address the issues that I raise nor do they sign their names. As a result, no one knows if they even live in the Township. Are they Honeywell employees? Relatives of Town Committeemen? Political operatives? Paid "consultants"? Real estate developers licking their lips, drooling at the prospect of their big pay day, when they sell off Honeywell's contaminated land?

Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. I couldn't say because you post under the name "Sam." I don't know how you deem my attitude "nasty" nor do I care. And I also am not trying to convince anyone to listen to me. Feel free to ignore me, whatever. The only one I need to persuade right now is the Assignment Judge in Morris County Superior Court.

Nice try, Marta. How's this for you: "I will not accept one penny of damages from any defendant in connection with the lawsuit that is the subject of this article."

My pleasure!

You are a gutless coward who now has stooped so low as to bring my wife into the mix. That sort of scumbag behavior smacks of Sisler's phone calls after midnight to scare, annoy, harass and intimidate an entire household. And you pretend to be critical of my posts. Ok, Mr. Honeywell. Would you like another $40 million while you sell military goods to Iran and pay negative income taxes to the United States of America?!?!? Of course you would.

Why? What else are they doing that's illegal that I don't know about?

Well, Ryan, while we're focusing on behavior, I have a thought. Let's focus on the despicable, inappropriate, outrageous behavior of your elected official and mine....Bruce "The Midnight Rambler" Sisler. You can try to change the subject but the subject won't change. Sisler's behavior is the subject of this lawsuit for a reason: He's an elected official and what he did was wrong. Period. Now, if you want to talk about me, I'm game. But that won't likely weigh in on the lawsuit issues. In my opinion, Sisler is a dirtbag. But I don't need to convince the judge of that. Just that his threatening calls were so inappropriate that he could not have legally cast a vote on the ordinance.

Exactly Ryan! Touché!

Oooh, I love how you put that accent over the e, "Shooter." Nice.

Yes. Thanks, it's attention to detail, I'd be happy to proof some of your stuff. It may help you take your foot off the gas. Its a shame that you're a distraction from your own arguments, Rob.

Oh Shooter, what a lovely gesture. Will you teach me how to make an umlaut too? Sigh.

Oh Rob, it's a shame you arent as smart as you think you are, genius (2nd time, note sarcasm). You are probably referring to a trema, which is the generic term for both a diaeresis and an umlat. Umlats are traditionally only used in German, diaersis arent used in English much anymore. Again, deep breath; please read twice before sending.

No, I meant umlaut. SIgh. You are so dreamy!

Nope

You seem to be enjoying yourself!

To quote ryan: Nope.

Interesting. Lets just say this: you don't know me and you judge me. That's arrogant and foolish. Why are Lee and I suing? Because Sisler's behavior is despicable and yet Mancuso, Caffrey, Rosenbush, Mills, Manahan, Bucco Sr. And Jr. All permit Sisler to be above the law. Not me. I expect my representatives to at least delver the minimum necessary to serve. You should too. Incidentally, ours is not the on,y lawsuit that's been filed. When you are on the wrong end of the midnight phone call, I bet you'll feel differently.

Thanks for the lecture, anonymous screen name. I'm glad you respect Mr. Grayzel. He is the only Committeeman who is genuinely concerned about Sisler's outrageous behavior. What's your position exactly on Sisler and his midnight phone calls?

Ok, so we all already knew that you were a shill, but seriously? There's no difference between sending someone an email at 11:25 pm versus calling someone at 12:30 am, being told your call is unwelcome, and then calling back 5 minutes latera. And then cursing at the person, calling him names and attacking him because he is participating in the legal process on the Honeywell ordinance? Yeah, sure, you can't see a difference. Guess what? Everyone else can see the difference, quite clearly. As to the legal issues presented and why Sisler's behavior disqualifies him from voting -- read the complaint. Dinghy was good enough to include it as part of this article. Btw, everyone understands that you realize that our dialog hurts you and Sisler and so you've changed your tone. But in so doing, you've flip flopped Mitt Romney style. First you say you don't disagree with my concerns, just with my style. Now you say you disagree with my concerns. Free advice: when the hole is so deep you can't reach the rim, stop digging.

Its wonderful that you agree that giving in to Honeywell will cost us all property tax increases whereas no redevelopment will not. Beyond that, your hypocrisy is astounding -- you pretend to criticize me for my "style" yet you call me once again some of the same names as Sisler called Lee in the middle of the night. As far as the typo of Dunphy's name -- my apologies, John, autocorrect on the ipad, my fault. But "Marta," the entire complaint is there for you to read. Click the little arrows at the bottom and turn the pages. And if you think Sisler's re-election justifies or excuses or ratifies his abhorrent behavior, then I suppose he could use that as his defense. I hope he does.

You can thank Sisler, Rosenbush, Caffrey, Mancuso, Mills, Honeywell and Bucco Sr. & Bucco Jr. And incidentally, while we're at it, you're so concerned about your property taxes -- just like all the rest of us are, and appropriately so. Will you join me in demanding that Mancuso pay us back for all the missing money he collected over 20 years for the Ginty Carnival? Remember, the State shut that scam down in 2007 because Mancuso "forgot" to account for all the money in and all the money out, and blew off filing something like 15 tax returns for the Carnival. Where did all the money go? He won't say. And he's your mayor!!! How's about an accounting? Will you join me in asking Mancuso for a complete accounting?????

Make up your mind, will ya? First you said you agreed that Honeywell isn't a property tax issue because with or without Honeywell the property taxes won't change in any meaningful way, if at all. Now you don't agree. Pick a position and stick with it.

Whose interest is it in for Mancuso to abscond with unkown amounts of Carnival money? Not mine. Not yours. Whose interest is it in for Sisler to harass and threaten Goldberg in the middle of the night? Let's see -- could it be...Honeywell? And the Bucco Family? Why I do believe it could! How I vote is irrelevant, but you're free to try to argue that it matters in court if you choose to. That said, you don't know how I vote, do you? No, you don't. Not unless you're part of the Soprano gang in charge and you're illegally ferreting through ballots after they are cast.

My kids already love me, thanks for your concern. How about this: How about I pursue Mancuso to the far ends of the earth to recover every penny that he can't account for, and then make sure that all of those moneys are used to fund the local food pantry? How about you sign up to support that effort, right here and now. And while you're at it, feel free to sign your name, "Marta"...

Glad you agree that unless the property ends up in the hands of a government entity or a 501(c)(3) that the owner will continue to pay property taxes. Thanks for that, Captain Obvious. Yeah, look at me spin! A property owner will pay property taxes!!! Oh the horror!!! The idea that Honeywell could leave and somehow no one would be responsible for property taxes on the land is so beyond rational -- and you think that me pointing that out has something to do with a vested interest! Here's my interest: good governance by officials who follow the rules. I hope Honeywell gets to redevelop their property -- I am a strong believer in property rights. But to me, the rules of the game matter -- and had they been complied with, there would have been more compromise and a better outcome for the Township, its residents and, ultimately, for Honeywell.

Sorry, not gonna take your bait while you try to turn Sisler's despicable, unacceptable behavior into some drivel about me. That you would use the word "hate" to disparage my criticism of an elected official who threatened another resident in the middle of the night is bizarre. Perhaps you need to reexamine what you expect from your elected officials. Me? I expect them to comply with the law. Sisler didn't.

Nice try. But this lawsuit isn't about me. Its about Sisler's reprehensible behavior. My community service and my state of mind are irrelevant, as are yours. I wonder: Why are you embracing Sisler's threatening midnight phone calls?

Thanks for your "concern." And I do appreciate your kind words about my intelligence and my energy. I'm quite proud of all the charitable works I do and my lawsuit against Sisler has nothing to do with that, does it? No, you don't know me -- you just want to change the subject away from the elected official who threatens residents in the middle of the night. So, you give me the opportunity to keep repeating this harsh reality and you take no position! That's odd. Why don't you take a position on Sisler? He's a public official who has behaved very badly. What's your position on Sisler? Tell us. You have a "position" on me -- what's your position on him?

@Funky (but chic!): I was just informed that the Morris Township Ethics Board will convene Wednesday the 12th to consider ethics complaints pending against Sisler. Here's part of the craziness of this whole thing. Ethics Chairman Peter D. Manahan, Esq. owns Honeywell stock. He has repeatedly refused to disclose how much Honeywell stock he owns. He said in the newspaper that his Honeywell stock ownership would cause him to recuse himself if he were a Committeeman hearing the Honeywell Ordinance. But he steadfastly denies (and Town Attorney Mills readily backs him up) that his Honeywell stock ownership is irrelevant to whether he can hear ethics charges against Sisler that directly relate to Honeywell and even have direct bearing on the Ordinance and the pending lawsuit. Somehow, Manahan thinks the ethics laws don't apply to the Ethics Committee!!! Uh, yeah, ok.

Are you kidding me Kenny? The "vitriol directed towards Mr. Burke" all started when he threatened Martatown with a subpoena because Marta had expressed their opinion of disagreement to his on a public forum. Rob is very polite and engaging when someone agrees with his opinion, yet becomes hostile when someone expresses an opposing opinion.

"By the way, Marta, I will be issuing a subpoena to patch to determine your identity. I've already sent them a litigation hold letter, instructing them to preserve the evidence they have that will lead o your identity. You know, the email address you used to open your account, IP addresses, etc."

O mysterious screen name -- thou doth protesteth, but not about your despicable elected official. Silly...

Rob I agree with your points!

Two points:

1. In the face of ethics charges relating to the Honeywell Ordinance, the Ethics Chairman has a conflict if he owns Honeywell stock. There's certainly an appearance of impropriety -- but here there's more than that. There's an actual conflict -- if the Ethics Committee were to absolve Sisler, that would help the Township defend the Honeywell Ordinance, which in turn makes Honeywell more valuable. That would also make Manahan richer.

2. Surely we can convene an ethics board that has ZERO relationship with Honeywell. Query why we haven't done so.

You should also know that the same Peter D Manahan with an undisclosed amount of Honeywell stock weighed on whether Grayzel was conflicted because of his wife's 401k that holds some Honeywell stock. Manahan apparently concluded Grayzel had a conflict -- and never sought to convene the ethics board.

As to your question: The ethics committee can determine whether Sisler violated the Township Code of Ethics. They can fine Sisler for violations. I don't believe they can do much else -- though they have subpoena power and can exercise it in the context of a hearing in which they call witnesses. If they are so inclined...

I suspect the Ethics Board will decline to take jurisdiction, claiming somehow that the pending ethics complaints are supplanted by the lawsuit -- which is not the case. They are independent of each other. That would end the ethics complaints.

I believe the ethics process is already irrevocably tainted BECAUSE its been chaired by Chairman Manahan, who owns so much Honeywell stock that neither he, nor Mills, will tell us just exactly how much he owns. That refusal certainly suggests its more than a couple of hundred shares. I bet its well into the tens of thousands of dollars worth.

This process commenced in August. Since then, Manahan has been the Chair and has owned a whole bunch of Honeywell stock. Emails I OPRA'd from/to Manahan in connection with his Honeywell stock ownership are equally disconcerting.

No one on the ethics board bothered to ask Manahan how much stock in Honeywell he owned!!! And one board member even commented (without knowing how much Honeywell stock Manahan owns) that this stock ownership wouldn't give rise to a conflict.

Astounding. There is but one Township Ethics Code and one Local Government Ethics law -- they apply equally to the Ethics Board, the Town Committee, the Planning Board, etc.

John: I an earlier post in this never ending thread I did state that (1) I always sign my name to what I post & (2) anonymity devalues what someone posts. I do agree with you that regardless of the position someone takes, they should sign their names. I've called out folks who agree with me before and urged them to sign their names on another patch site. Ad guess what? Some of them did. Others continued to say they were afraid and chose not to. And given SIsler's retaliatory midnight bizarrofest, I could see why people might be scared.

Having sad that, I'm wondering whether you live in the Township. Do you? I actually don't think it matters all that much, just curious. As far as I'm concerned, you're entitled to your opinion regardless of where you reside. I didn't find your name listed as having a Township address, but that doesn't mean much either.

But now that you've engaged me on this issue and I've answered you, may I ask you a simple question? What's your position on Sisler's midnight threatening phone calls?

John, thanks for your reply. I wonder where to draw the line. If Sisler's vote is allowed to stand despite his midnight threats, what else may he do without losing his ability to participate in the hearing as a Committeeman? Can he brandish a knife at a resident's front door at 1 am? Can he break tail lights on a resident's car with a tire iron? Can he burn me in effigy in front of Town Hall, to humiliate me and tarnish my reputation? Where would it end? Its one hell of a slippery slope.

Funny! I heard a notice of motion was delivered today indicating that Honeywell is intervening in the lawsuits, and seeking to consolidate them, fyi. Its really a shame things went this way. Had Sisler stepped aside, there could have been a dialog -- even Rosenbush was interested in some changes to the Ordinance. Modest compromises to garner Grayzel's vote would have been easily achieved. No one would have been happy -- the sign of a good compromise. And there wouldn't be any litigation -- another sign of a good compromise. I put this in the category of overplaying one's hand. One thing I hope for is that more and more young people -- early 20s -- get involved in their local governments. Mayors, councilpeople, etc. Its time to break up the good ol' boy logjam that only costs us time, money, quality of life.

Hate to disappoint you but I don't really care about the Honeywell redevelopment except to the extent it negatively affects my taxes. Since there has been no genuine, honest evaluation of the tax impact of the redevelopment, I remain very concerned it will make my taxes skyrocket. And yes, my participation in this lawsuit is focused entirely on the good ol boy shenanigans of Sisler, Mancuso, Caffrey, Rosenbush, Mills & Manahan.

Time will tell, but at least they have to answer for a few things now.