More like a Superfund site ... paid for by whom? Yes, us taxpayers have to foot the bill for the corporate polluters. Shocker, right?!

Hey Marta, I have a question for you. If you knew that Honeywell was going to leave when they made their proposal to rezone their property -- for the simple reason that they want to make money off it -- would you have supported their proposal? Would you have supported the idea that because they want to make money and because they can make a lot of money, that the conflicts of interest laws should be ignored, for Honeywell's benefit?

Patch Fan.. who are you really? I find it interesting that people post here under made up names. The horror that someone might find out who you really are!

Do you even understand how property taxes work? The property STAYS in Morris Township. It stays on our tax rolls. The owner continues to pay taxes. Since the owner, Honeywell, is now going to redevelop the property AND LEAVE, we the people get everything that many don't want -- loss of the view shed, increased burden on our schools, a bunch of townhouses and so on. And we get NONE of what our republican Township Committeemen promised: keep Honeywell's corporate HQ here.

But we are focused on the wrong issues here and that's be design. The real questions are who knew what when? This isn't a surprise to a lot of people, many of whom have not been telling the truth in order to get the money/value that they lust after. Pull back the covers and find out. That's what I'm doing.

Rob Burke - thanks for the education - didn't realize property tax revenues will increase because of the ordinance. Frankly, my interest is mainly on the impact of the Honeywell move to the Township relative to resident property taxes and area small businesses.

@PF: No problem. I've been primarily concerned about the tax impact as well and remain concerned. The Town Committee relied entirely on a financial analysis prepared by HONEYWELL. (Will the conflicts of interest never cease?) I don't believe that its a foregone conclusion that our taxes will go down as a result of this overdevelopment ordinance. And I do know that no one has really engaged in that analysis solely from the residents' point of view. I believe that although the tax revenue will go up substantially, so will all the costs of running the township. The net may well be a tax increase. Regardless, wouldn't you like to know when Honeywell agreed to sell the land to developers? And on what conditions? Honeywell may have been a straw applicant for a very long time, and acting solely to enhance its property value for a sale that it was in process of consummating. Stern necessity to nullify the law prohibiting conflicts of interest on the Township governing body is not satisfied because the applicant sought to maximize value for its shareholders...

A major taxpayer? You apparently are clueless that crony Christie and the rest of the bandits wanted to GIVE 40 million of taxpayer money TO Honeywell. Honeywell doesn't pay taxes, Fool! You should have kept your mouth shut and been thought of a fool, but now you have spoken and removed an doubt.

That's an interesting question but not for the reasons you may think. The property taxes for the land have gone up substantially because of the ordinance. However, the question about what expenses the town will incur as a result of the redevelopment remain unanswered, in my view. Who will pay for the roadwork? Its an enormous number. and it ain't gonna be Honeywell. How many more children will our schools support b/c of the townhouses? That costs money and impacts how we deliver education to our kids. How about garbage collection and disposal costs? Other infrastructure costs? And all the traffic that comes with the redevelopment?

We aren't losing property tax revenue. We're gaining property tax revenue. But we're also being saddled with a great deal more.

Either way, conflicts of interest at the Town Committee should never have been set aside for some supposed "stern necessity." Its a hell of a rule if this charade is allowed to stand. Large landowners can avoid otherwise disabling governmental conflicts of interest just by threatening to abandon their property. Then, they get what they want even if they follow through with their threat after their demands are met. Why not change the law to say that ethics laws don't apply to rich landowners?

Honeywell doesn't pay taxes, rather it receives our hard earned tax dollars. Christie and the gangsters of Morris County wanted to give 40 Million dollars in taxpayer dollars to a very profitable corporation. Corporations paying taxes?! Now that's a laugh!

NOMTC -- Not on My Township Committee -- Bruce Sisler.

Its not in my backyard.

Listen, I don't negotiate with anonymous screen names. I've made my positions clear and have disabused everyone over the notion that Honeywell moving its HQ has ZERO impact on the Township's tax rolls.

I wasn't aware that Sisler has threatened and harasses citizens in the middle of the night in regard to other land use applications. I wish you'd told me -- depending on the circumstances I may have gotten involved.

What in blazes are you blathering about? I don't own any land to be developed. You need to take your meds. And watch your language. You sound like Sisler.

You really need your meds. The Overdevelopment Ordinance is still in place. The land is not "in my neighborhood." And you are either phenomenally unintelligent or intentionally trying to confuse people.

Mancuso said it best last night, about Honeywell moving its HQ. "It's not the end of the world." That's what the transcript will show.

Guess what that strongly suggests? That there was never a "stern necessity" to hear the Overdevelopment Ordinance in the first place.

Game set match....

Publish your name here and now and I'll run. Holding my breath....

Wow. I'm stunned that you just admitted that you are Bruce Sisler. I always thought you were, but now that you've admitted it I know for sure.

If you are Bruce Sisler, then change your screen name to Bruce Sisler. Let's remove any ambiguity about who you say you are.

You are a COWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRDDDDDD!!!!!!!! You are so ashamed of yourself you won't even sign your name. Well, no matter, Feel free to join us in court next Friday. You can sit in the audience and wear a Nixon mask. Or a Sisler mask...

Sisler IS a coward. When the firm of Swindler & Rosendouche wanted to push an expansion of the traffic impact study, you'd think Sisler would be out there at Hanover and Route 202 handing out very last minute pamphlets. However, that morning it was indeed Rosenbush out there handing them out, because Sisler is too cowardly to show his face and do it himself. Yes, Martatown, you are a coward.

Listen up "Marta": I am participating. You on the other hand are heckling. I will be in court next Friday. I will enter my appearance as Robert W. Burke., Plaintiff Pro Se. You will be under your rock. How dare you heckle when you lack the courage of your convictions to disclose your identity?

It is so very amusing to be debating with someone who pathetically engages from behind a screen name. Ho hum. Yes, I do understand the difference between positive and negative. Let's see...Sisler calling Goldberg in the middle of the night and threatening and harassing him...I choose....NEGATIVE. Let's see, holding Sisler accountable for his bad behavior in order to protect the integrity of the local government....I choose...POSITIVE. My stake? I love my country. And I expect my elected officials to follow the law and to behave themselves. If they don't, or can't, then they should pack their bags and move on. Contrary to your bizarre assertion, a citizen of this great country may criticize their officials even if said citizen never runs for office. And by the way, what's your personal stake? Why are you so motivated to harass me? Why do you embrace Sisler's despicable behavior?

Point of order, O Anonymous Chicken Livered Screen Name Whose Identity and Dog in the Fight Remain Intentionally Hidden. Your fundamental assertion that the Town and Honeywell are following the law is completely wrong. They have broken the law. And, ironically, Honeywell still insists that it should get everything it demanded in exchange for its promise to stay in Morris Township. You can make the Honeywell Debacle about me all you want. Except I am not David Cote, I am not John Mills, I am not Bruce Sisler and I am not the developers who are buying the property to load it up with negative ratables like heaps of sour cream and chives on a steaming hot potato. You say you care about your taxes? Then break out some common sense and ask your Town Committee why they did not commission their own financial analysis of the Overdevelopment Ordinance and its impact on the Town's ongoing finances. Ask why they just took Honeywell's word that we'd make money. Then break out your abacus and do the math yourself. And don't forget to clean up your barf.

@Rob Burke: "They have broken the law."

What law? Just curious.

@Ryan: The Town has broken the law several times throughout this process. First, they tainted their legal advice regarding Grayzel by explicitly relying on Peter D. Manahan. Manahan owns a ton of Honeywell stock. His advice was conflicted and, in turn, improperly influenced Grayzel and the Town Committee regarding Grayzel's independence.

Second, the invocation of the doctrine of necessity was illegal. There was no matter of stern necessity that demanded we chuck the conflicts of interest laws to satisfy Honeywell. As it turns out, the stern necessity was to keep Honeywell's HQ in MoTwp. That ain't happening and the Mayor said on the dais two nights ago, "Its not the end of the world..." LOL.

Third, Sislers midnight threatening calls to Goldberg constitute improper influence of the proceedings and permanently disqualify Sisler from participating in this matter. His vote was illegal and therefore the ordinance was not validly adopted.

There's more, but these are the highlights.

Silly rabbit. Why do you defend Sisler? No need to change the rules. The rules make his abhorrent behavior illegal. As to who you are and what your connection is: until discovery opens and I subpoena your IP address and then your ISP account, I won't know anything. Unless you come out from under your rock...

See if you can follow along. There is an existing lawsuit that challenges among other things the validity of Sisler's vote on the Overdevelopment Ordinance. In that context, your identity is relevant if, for example, you are Sisler, as you've claimed to be. In order to determine whether your claim to be Sisler is true, I would issue a subpoeana to Patch to determine information associated with your Patch account. That, in turn, would eventually lead to your identity. No need for more lawsuits.

And no, whether Honeywell stays isn't why I'm involved in these shenanigans. Indeed, Honeywell leaving has no impact on the Overdevelopment Ordinance. The Overdevelopment is coming even though Honeywell is leaving. That's like getting the money when you sell your car and then keeping your car.

In any case, I'm involved because the conflict ridden, tainted process isn't the way things are supposed to work. Plain and simple. If you are offended by midnight threats from Committeemen to frighten residents from speaking up, then you would be agree with the arguments I'm making.

Its this Friday at 2 pm. Open to the public. Come on down!

Golly gee willikers, "JJS". My feelings were almost hurt til I realized I was being called names by some anonymous heckler. Dedication to stupidity? No, insistence on compliance with the governmental ethics laws. But hey, I guess you must think that those laws don't apply whenever someone to be named later decides they shouldn't apply.

No disrespect intended but Honeywell leaving isn't going to impact property taxes in the Township. The Overdevelopment Ordinance increases the property taxes to be paid in respect of the land in question. That said, I believe property taxes will indeed go up BECAUSE of the Overdevelopment Ordinance and the failure of the Town Fathers to secure funding from Honeywell the Applicant for road improvements, other infrastructure improvements, and so on.